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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby 8{} on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:50 am

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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby Duke EeLLington on Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:03 pm

Law enforcement agencies, judges and politicians around the country are stepping up their battle against graffiti artists. But the crackdown may only have emboldened them.

In March 2009, a man identified by Pittsburgh Police as “HERT,” the city’s second most-wanted graffiti artist, entered the Allegheny County Courthouse for an appearance stemming from a prior arrest.

But when he arrived, he was informed that police also had warrants for his arrest on 69 misdemeanors and four felony counts of criminal mischief based on estimated damages from vandalism caused by the 22-year-old’s alleged activities of spray-painting his tag on public and private buildings, railroad properties, and nearly a dozen neighborhoods in and around Pittsburgh’s downtown corridor. HERT was then handcuffed and escorted from the courtroom.

TV cameras were there to capture the moment, and Detective Daniel Sullivan of Pittsburgh Police Bureau’s Graffiti Task Force, made sure the media knew the significance of the arrest.

“He was the number-two tagger in the city, hitting more than 100 pieces of property, and that doesn’t include outside boroughs,” Sullivan told reporters, adding that HERT had caused an estimated $212,000 in damages to private and public property during his graffiti career.

The case of HERT, who is still awaiting trial, illustrates what some observers believe is an increasing crackdown on graffiti across the country. While, nationwide statistics on graffiti crime do not exist, the reallocation of police department budgets and resources suggests that cities are increasingly using prosecutions as a weapon to end the practice. For example, Graffiti Tracker, an Omaha, Nebraska-based company, which investigates graffiti crimes under contract with law enforcement agencies or sells them analysis software, is doing a thriving business. According to Timothy Kephart, Graffiti Tracker’s CEO, the company has over $1 million in contracts with police departments in 45 cities, towns and municipalities.

And more cities like Pittsburgh have created “vandal squads” dedicated to capturing high-profile graffiti artists, similar to the force New York City instituted decades ago.

But the subtext of this battle is cultural.


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Hardening Stance

Recent convictions nationwide have shown a hardening of the criminal justice system’s stance against graffiti artists. In December, Corpus Christi (Texas) Judge Marisela Saldaña sentenced 18-year-old Sebastian Perez to eight years in prison on three counts of graffiti and one count of marijuana possession, giving Perez the maximum two-year sentence for each charge. Under Texas law, both crimes are felonies. But due to a new state law prohibiting judges to “stack” consecutive sentences, Perez’ sentence was reduced to two years.

Danielle Bremner, aka UTAH, has been arrested and sentenced multiple times in the past two years. In April 2009, Bremner was sentenced to six months at New York’s Rikers Island facility and ordered to pay $10,000 in restitution to the city’s Metropolitan Transit Authority. After her release from Rikers, she served another six months in a Boston prison for similar offenses and was released in January.

The most notable case in recent years, however, is the July 2008 conviction of Daniel Montano (aka MF ONE), the graffitist sentenced to 2 ½ to 5 years in a Pennsylvania state penitentiary. The Pittsburgh Police Bureau’s Graffiti Task Force estimated Montano caused over $700,000 in damages to private and public property. And when Montano is released from prison, he will owe $234,000 in restitution and be expected to fulfill 2,500 hours of community service.

But not everyone believes prison sentences are the answer to this problem.

“Locking up graffiti writers costs taxpayer money and doesn’t remove the graffiti that bothered people to begin with,” says Caleb Neelon, co-author of the forthcoming book A History of American Graffiti (HarperCollins). “The sensation of vengeance may feel good to some, but it’s an expensive rush.”

Neelon raises an important point. Property damage caused by graffiti writers is often overshadowed by the cost of incarceration.

However, Pittsburgh Judge Nauhaus argues that the cost is defensible when dealing with repeat offenders. “Having a vandal perform community service is just punishment for the first or second offense,” says Nauhaus. “But when he says ‘screw you’ to society, I (have) no sympathy. We live in a structured society. And if somebody doesn’t want to be part of the structured society, you take them out.”

For graffiti artists across the country, and their defenders, that doesn’t sound encouraging.

“People fail to realize that the person [they read about] in the paper is an individual and cannot be held responsible for all the graffiti in the city,” says a graffiti artist from a major metropolitan area who spoke with TCR on condition that his name not be used, citing the landslide of public outrage that often follows the arrest of a prolific tagger. “It’s not jail that worries me, it’s being convicted of a felony and having that limit my future, especially for something as insignificant as applying paint to walls without permission.”



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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby bonquiqui on Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:46 pm

has anyone ever noticed how latino cops are always assholes?
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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby TheMadUnit on Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:45 pm

When I was 18 I had a couple hispanic cops stop me coming out of this party store in the hood in Detroit with a couple 40oz. Arab clerk never checked ID's and they gave me an MIP. They were both super f*cking assholes. sh*t was only a $100 fine back then. Arab caught a bunch of sh*t for selling to minors and it sounded like a foreign movie when I was leaving.........
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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby bonquiqui on Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:46 pm

yeah. im getting evicted soon, because aparently, having that much spray paint in one place was against the lease. which was bullsh*t. but whatever. f*cking hispanic cop was the one that came with the landlords daughter.
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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby TheMadUnit on Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:21 pm

You can store all that paint at my house in the mean time. My landlord I mean wife is cool with it.....
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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby bonquiqui on Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:44 pm

AHAHAHAHAHAH that made my day. yah, ima have to pass. that paint will slowly dissappear 2 cans at a time
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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby Kills100 on Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:49 am

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Graffiti is something all cities deal with and Boise is no exception. From 2006 to 2008 the Boise Police Department says they saw a 300% increase in graffiti cases.

Help to combat the problem could be coming from the statehouse. Lawmakers introduced a bill that would create a felony graffiti charge. Currently graffiti is only prosecuted as a misdemeanor. If someone causes more than 1 thousand dollars in damage through graffiti, they face a felony malicious injury to property charge. Which can leave loopholes for taggers that the proposes legislation would close.

"It's going to be a lot smoother and a lot easier for prosecutors and judges," said Detective Paul Jagosh of the Idaho Fraternal Order of Police.

Police say felony convictions most likely won't lead to jail time, but it would make it much easier for them to crackdown on taggers.

"What it allows us to do is put them on probation and parole and have a little more control over that person, who they hang out with whether they have paint and paint supplies," claims Jagosh.

Police also say having a felony graffiti charge will make it easier for victims of graffiti to get restitution.


Look what I just found.
They want to charge graffiti, a non-violent crime as a felony.
This means kiddies, that if you are in the state of California and you have 3, you go to jail, for life. for graffiti.
What a f*cking retarded system.


nah
the three strikes law is for violent felony offenders.
it says "felony convictions most likely won't lead to jail time"
you're most definitely not going in for life.
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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby blitz dtsk on Mon May 17, 2010 11:34 am

And with the budget all fu*cked up in Cali even vilent offenderz dont do jail time
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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby TASK on Mon May 17, 2010 5:07 pm

bonquiqui wrote:yeah. im getting evicted soon, because aparently, having that much spray paint in one place was against the lease. which was bullsh*t. but whatever. f*cking hispanic cop was the one that came with the landlords daughter.


ddid you read the lease? sounds like you got screwed. howd they know you had spraypaint?... did you give them permission to come in your house to view your stash? did they have an order to evict? the cop was there most likely to scare you....but realisticly unless they had an order you coulda laughed and slammed the door in their face.
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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby vice on Tue May 18, 2010 5:18 am

everything that kid ever said was bullsh*t.
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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby bbsblaze on Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:41 pm

how can i refuse a search? is it illegal to carry around markers and paint in a backpack? can cops search u if they have "probable cause" of graffiti acts?
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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby TheMadUnit on Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:20 pm

Abso-f*ckin-lutley. Your rights are thrown out the door once you "look suspicious". It's bullsh*t, but true.........
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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby TheMadUnit on Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:25 pm

bbsblaze wrote:how can i refuse a search?



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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby godless on Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:51 pm

read up on "self searches" and if they are allowed in your city/county/state. i've seen a few buddies get off using this tactic.
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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby bbsblaze on Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:23 pm

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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby ClickClack on Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:19 pm

i'm going through the same sh*t right now. f*ck cops.
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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby Seka on Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:56 am

i recently got caught doing graffiti. so they know me, and what i write. a few months later i do a tag on a local bridge and later they call me up saying it was me who did it because "it looks like what you did before" and it says the same thing.

so im wondering if they can do that with no proof that i did it besides the style and the name.
and my second question is if i should change my name if i want to keep on writing nearby?
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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby ccsdo5 on Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:55 pm

if your gonna write by you still yeah deff change, but you said they catch you... meaning hey they know what ya write! so doing more of the same stuff is just making it worse for you ..but also did you admitt to anything?
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Re: Cops Searching You / New Laws

Postby Seka on Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:05 am

ccsdo5 wrote:if your gonna write by you still yeah deff change, but you said they catch you... meaning hey they know what ya write! so doing more of the same stuff is just making it worse for you ..but also did you admitt to anything?


actually, i got snitched on so they knew it was me before they even brought me in to be questioned. my "friend" told them what i wrote and what my real name is. and when they called about the new stuff they knew it was me because of the "style". like they knew the style of my tag.
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